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Welcome to Demystify Magic with Molly and Madison.
I'm Molly, a former skeptic turned full time energy healer and teacher.
And I'm Madison, a born and raised witch running my family's crystal shop.
And we're here to explore all things woo through the lens of both science and spirituality, so that you can find the moments of magic in your everyday life and create an intentional spiritual practice.
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So if that's what you're into, find a cozy spot, take a deep breath, and let's demystify some magic.
Howdy Doody friends.
Howdy duty friends, How is how are?
We How are we duty ING?
We're duty ING.
So true.
So true, as you're listening, you might be out of Mercury retrograde.
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We're still in it.
And so we still haven't figured out an intro after almost 18 months of this podcast.
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We got you.
Consider the Howdy Doody Friends mug.
The Why is it Dead T-shirt.
Or the Magic Moments journal.
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Some personal favorites.
Today we're a ING.
Some cues.
We're a ING some cues.
You guys had cues, We're a in them.
We're answering the cues.
Get in line get.
In line.
Buckle up, buttercup.
We took our intuitive and instinctual favorite cues from the poll that we just asked on Instagram an hour ago.
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Yep, that's been the best part.
I think as this podcast has grown, this is my truth is that we can do a last minute Q and.
AI know it is nice.
Uh huh.
Just y'all are ready with cues for us to answer.
Usually the first questions are the best ones.
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That is true.
Thank you everyone for always being available to send us questions before we get to answering.
What was your magic moment this week, Molly?
OK, my magic moment has to do with demystifymagic.com because we did a fun spontaneous thing last night where Madison was struggling to write her bio and my bio was just pulled from my website and it felt a little too stuffy for the podcast.
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And so I said, Madison, what if we wrote our each other's BIOS?
So good.
It was so fun, it was so cute 'cause it was.
I don't know about you, but it's so much easier for me to write a bio for you. 100.
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Percent for myself.
I can list off your accomplishments in my sleep.
I could gush about you all day.
Long my accomplishments, I'm like I graduated high school.
So we basically just sent each other like I want you to definitely include this, this, this, this and this.
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And then we just had some fun and wrote about our besties.
So if you want to read what we wrote about each other and maybe cop some merch could be fun.
Do you miss my magic.com?
Highly recommend.
What was your magic moment?
My magic moment is that I went to the chiropractor.
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OK, say more.
This is the most mundane magic moment.
I'm so sorry but.
We love mundane magic here.
I feel like I got access to my magic again through seeing a chiropractor regularly.
OK.
I don't know what has been going on with me in the actually I do.
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I think it is very much like the triangle of healing that we talk about so much of like the energy, the mentally and the physical of something.
I've reached a point where it hurt to straighten my shoulders like my body was fucked up and my sweet loving partner gifted me a massage and the massage therapist was like their your back is fucked up like what I'm doing right like this is this will help a little bit, but you need to go to the chiropractor if you like really want to address what's going on here 'cause I like explained where I was experiencing pain.
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I was like all over my back like my lower.
Sometimes it's worse in my lower back, sometimes it's worse in my shoulders, sometimes it's worse in the middle of my back.
But like my back is fucked up.
And she was like, well I see you have this tilt here, blah blah blah blah.
Like a chiropractor might be able to help.
So I went to this chiropractor.
First of all, got a great recommendation for someone within walking distance of Spellcrafter.
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Hey.
And now I am at this moment in time.
I'm going to the chiropractor twice a week.
That's how bad it was.
And something has changed in my energetic field that has been in direct alignment with, like, the changing of my posture that has been transformative for me.
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And even down to the point where I even told my chiropractor that's like the whole experience now has become meditative for me.
Yeah.
Where twice a week I walk from the store to the chiropractor.
I walk in and it's just like one big room with a bunch of like massage tables in it or like chiropractor beds.
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I don't know, They're different, but like, you know what it looks like?
And they have like, 'cause it takes maybe 5 minutes.
So they have like a couple people.
I'll get there at the same time.
I get to lay on the bed and close my eyes while he works on the person before me.
He does my adjustment.
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He gives me a hug when I leave, which I think is so sweet.
We hug.
Me and Doctor Brett were on hugging terms.
We talk about my posture, I talk about how I'm feeling, and then I get to walk back and it's like a it's like 30 minutes All in all and it is the highlight of my Monday and Friday I.
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Love this for you.
And I feel myself being able to hold myself straight up.
I went to the chiropractor and he showed me like where my neck is and like what it's all doing and stuff.
And he said your head, based on your height and weight, should weigh about 11 pounds.
The way that you're standing, it is the equivalent of if your head weighed 36 lbs.
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That sounds awful.
No wonder your neck hurts.
Yeah.
And it has like I see a real correlation between me starting to go to the chiropractor and like my creativity and my like capacity for wonder of like I'm not constantly thinking about how I'm in pain and it like I want to do magic again.
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Yeah, yeah.
Isn't that amazing?
How like when you release that in your body, like I, I see a a physical therapist who's also an energy healer.
I see her every other week for the last literally almost seven years now.
She's amazing.
And the last time I saw her, I had a similar like upper back chunky pain, which I think is connected to like some sort of expansion that I'm going through.
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And now that you're going through it too, I'm like, Oh yes, of course, because we are LinkedIn always of course.
But on the drive home I, it's funny what you say about like connecting to wonder because I've been listening to the same album in my car for the last three weeks.
It's the new state champs album.
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It's self-titled.
It's so good.
I love them, but I felt like on the drive home from that appointment, I listened to it for the first time.
Like I really heard it.
Like I was hearing the lyrics and I was hearing the music and I was hearing it in a very different way.
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Like my body was like absorbing it in a different way.
That's really interesting.
Oh, it's funny.
So we also did a Anthony did a sitting in the Power Workshop, which is like his method for connecting to the spirit world.
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I think he actually has it as a replay if it's something that you're interested in.
He's like selling the recording.
So DMM if that's something that interests you.
But I came to the workshop and just 'cause I come to everything that spoke crafter does obviously and did it.
And the message that came through was literally hold your head up.
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And it was after I had started going to the chiropractor and I was like, and it literally, I saw the triangle of healing in my head And I was like, oh, of course these things are all interconnected and was able to like get real clarity that I don't think that the message even would have held as much weight if I hadn't been working on the physicality of the problem as well.
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Yeah.
So it was very cool.
Wanna dive into these queues?
Let's dive into these queues.
Wanna do some A's?
I've got an A or two.
I've got an A to spare.
I've got a native spare all right question #1 besides chatting with each other, what's your second fave podcast?
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I love this question because we get we get asked for witchy podcast recommendations all the time.
And I have to say like we both have to be like, I'm sorry, I don't I don't have any.
My second favorite podcast besides my own is called This Might Get Weird, which if you were around in the golden age of YouTube, AKA like 2012 to 2015, you might know Grace Helbig and Memory Hart.
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They were like, you know, like of of that YouTube generation did like short comedy videos that I fucking loved in middle school and high school.
And they now do a podcast just the two of them that is literally just, I'm talking about pop culture telling each other stories, generally being silly.
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And it's one of the only podcasts that I consistently listen to.
I will go in and out with other podcasts.
I'm even like on Patreons for a couple other podcasts that like I let slip and then I will binge listen.
This might get weird.
I'm listening every week.
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Grace and Mamrie, if you were listening, I don't know what we would talk about, but if you would come on this podcast, I would figure something out.
Grace does talk about astrology sometimes.
There we go.
She mostly reads it off of Cosmo and I love it.
I love it just as much.
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Mamrie and I are from the same hometown, so another another Southern queen.
That is my favorite podcast to listen to besides ours.
What is yours?
Wow OK so I had a really hard time choosing a favorite podcast outside of ours, obviously because ours is for sure my favorite.
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A league about the rest.
So I had to think about, OK, if all of my favorite podcasts, I have like four or five podcasts I listen to consistently and they all post inconsistently.
And so I thought about if all five of them posted an episode on the same day at the same time, which one would I listen to 1st?
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And the and the answer is maintenance phase.
OK all.
Right.
Have you listened?
No, I know I've heard of it but.
I won't shut the fuck up about it.
I'm so bad about new podcasts.
This is the same reason I'm weird about audiobooks.
I am so weird about people's voices.
OK.
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All right.
The reason the the reason why I say I have so many favorites is because one of the hosts of maintenance phase is the host of two of my other favorites, OK?
Wow 3 podcasts I could never.
I know well, one of them, he's no longer the host and then whatever, but I the backlog is there.
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But I love maintenance phase.
It's like a look at Wellness and diet culture and just like how icky and gross it is.
But it's like they back it up with like facts and reasoning and it's just like silly little banter and it's just so interesting.
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They just did A2 part series about Richard Simmons, which I thought was really poignant.
I'm a big, big Richard Simmons girly.
Like, I was sweating to the oldies when I was in elementary school and I just like, have always been fascinated by Richard Simmons.
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And I just think he's so interesting.
When Missing Rich Richard Simmons came out, I binged that podcast and I really, really loved Maintenance Phase's approach to it because they actually read his memoir and they actually did research rather than like just, you know, reading the articles and like regurgitating what people are saying or, or spectating or whatever.
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And it just made me see Richard Simmons in a totally new light.
So they have a lot of like really incredible, incredible episodes.
My recommendation is just scroll through and find one that interests you and just start there.
But they're just, they're so funny, but they're so smart, but they're so like honest and they just have really great banter.
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And I just, I just love them.
And then Michael Hobbs, who's the Co host, he has one called If Books Could Kill, which is about like how insidious airport books are kind of like changing our culture in a negative way.
So it's like, you know, like the the first episode I listened was about the secret and how like the law of attraction is actually like really negatively impacting people.
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I.
Thought you meant like specifically the books that are in the airport.
Yes.
But like, like I thought you meant like the active selling books in the airport.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
The.
Books.
I understand.
I understand what you mean.
Now I was like.
What do you mean airport?
I think airport bookstores are great.
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Sometimes I forget that I have and I need something to do on the plane.
Have I been doing something problematic?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
So yeah, that those two, you got a bonus podcast from me.
And then if you want to dive into the Michael Hobbs historic, you're wrong about his his podcast he used to be on.
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And if you go to the early episodes, you'll find him so.
Oh, another one from me is one that like isn't making episodes anymore.
It was like a contained story kind of, but it's called mediums.
I've recommended this to you I think.
Yeah, love that one.
It's a Spotify original, I believe, so it should only be on Spotify.
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And it talks about like the history of mediumship specifically like in the Victorian era and how it like it intersects a lot with feminism and really how mediumship and like spiritual practices were the one of the only ways that women could make money in that time.
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And how like the beef that quote UN quote like magicians had with mediums is really just about sexism.
Was that the one with Houdini that you told me about or was that a different one?
No, that's.
They talk about Houdini.
It's so good.
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I haven't listened.
In yours.
And I've I'm like due for a re listen.
Yeah, it's really good.
Which is another good one too.
That one's from BBCI think.
OK.
Yeah, it's about witches.
I think it's a history I can't remember.
I'm someone who I listen to podcasts.
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Like I read books where I'm like, I loved this book so much and you're like, cool, what's it about?
And I'm like.
Couldn't tell you.
Tell ya, but it was good.
You'll like it.
All right, next question.
What is one way of becoming less skeptic of my own magic in my magic practice?
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So for me, the biggest thing is keeping record like writing it down when it works and it doesn't have to be like for me, journaling can feel very like overwhelming 'cause I feel like I have to give this extremely detailed account and then I end up doing nothing.
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But I just like keep a note in my notes app where I'll write down like a a sentence or two of like.
Like a magic moment.
I some might say like a magic moment Find your magic moments Journal ID Mr. my magic.com.
But writing down like, oh, I, I put a dollar in my money bowl and then I found a $10.00 bill on the street like keeping tab of things like that.
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And then the most important part is going back and reading them.
Yeah, creating like an evidence log.
You reinforce those patterns by proving it to yourself over and over and over.
What I do, like I've talked about when the hurricane came through and we couldn't get plywood, so we just did basically a giant protection ritual around the building.
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I look at that picture that I have of the the debris stopping 3 feet in front of the building like probably twice a week.
Dude, my YouTube producer who's like, like, not witchy at all.
He was like, holy shit, that picture of Madison store, It's like, how did that even happen?
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I was like witchcraft.
And he's like, that's truly the only like rationale.
Like he was like, OK.
Just saying.
So go look at that picture when you.
Yeah.
But like, finding your own moments that really stump you and really prove it to yourself and really like, again, the only way to even create those moments is to continue to do it.
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What's so funny is my advice is gonna be the exact opposite of yours.
Mine is to not focus on the evidence or the outcome and instead implement more play and curiosity to the act of your practice.
I like that too.
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So like I say this to my Reiki training students all the time because they're sometimes we can go into our magical practice and we expect this like big life altering experience.
And like at the moment in the in the made for TV movie where everything changes and you can just feel it right, Like the music changes and the lighting changes and our life changes all at once.
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And that like a doesn't really happen.
If it did, it would feel very disorienting if that happened every time you sat down to do your practice.
And so instead, I like to think of instead of looking at your practice like a marathon, right, a marathon.
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The goal is to cross the finish line.
Instead, look at your practice like the act of moving your body.
If you don't enjoy moving your body, it's going to be very difficult to motivate yourself to train to run a marathon, to cross the finish line.
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OK.
And so instead of looking at like, oh, what is this practice going to do for me?
How is this going to impact my life?
Like how can I get the results I want?
How can you bring more play and fun and curiosity to the act of your practice?
So how can I enjoy the fact that instead of sitting and wallowing in fear about what's going to happen to my store because I don't have plywood, can I empower myself to do something even if I don't know whether or not that's going to work right?
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Like, instead of sitting there and, and thinking about like, I don't know how I'm going to pay my bills, like I don't, there's nothing I can do in this moment.
Can I find enjoyment in creating a money bowl and and committing to myself that I'm going to do everything in my power to get through this?
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Because everything in my past I have gotten through so far and remembering that as I do this ritual.
And I think that is the way to release that skepticism because your skeptic brain is always going to be looking for evidence to prove your skepticism.
Right, Right.
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That's how our brain works.
And so when we start to flip the switch and say, like, you know what, the outcome doesn't matter, I'm just curious about how I feel in this moment.
And I'm going to let this practice be something that I enjoy doing rather than something that I do in order to achieve a goal.
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Yeah.
I know you said that those ideas are opposite, but I really don't even think that they are because specifically like you using the store as an example, that is exactly what happened is like I could either I had to choose.
I was like, I can either freak out because there's no more plywood or I can I can find some power in what I can do for myself.
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And when we were doing it, I was like kind of cracking jokes about it.
And I in my head I was like, this might just be self soothing and that's OK.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's like, I think it's about if your practice does, you know, create some sort of palpable magic, tangible magic, celebrate that.
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But if it doesn't, and all it did was make you feel better in the moment, celebrate.
That exactly.
I think that there's this really big misconception that to call yourself a witch or to say that you have a spiritual practice or any of those things like this idea that everything is gonna work all the time, that is not a reflection of your own personal power.
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That is not a reflection of your own personal magic.
There are something like things work.
One, they often work in a way that you don't expect. 2 What I find to be true is that specifically in terms of manifestation, like things are coming to me when they're supposed to, like that's what I have to believe.
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And so there could be something that I'm manifesting sort of it like there are things that I've been manifesting that I want for years that I know that now is not the right time.
And so just because I, you know, I put a dollar in my money bowl yesterday and I don't find $10 on the ground tomorrow, that doesn't mean that your money bowl is not working.
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Yeah, just like that guy said, you miss 100% of the shots you never take next.
Love this one.
Very excited to answer this one.
If you were to give yourself a magic themed gift, no budget, what would it be and why?
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OK.
When I go to the Gem shows, there is this, I guess it's a company I don't know, Like there's this vendor who they specialize in, like they'll buy big ass fucking rocks and carve furniture out of them.
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And every year they come to both Tucson and Denver.
And every year we go and we take pictures on the couches and in the chairs.
There's this one chair that's shaped like a hand and it's like, I think I can't remember, we asked how much it cost last time and it's either like $60,000 or $100,000 something bonkers because they have like it's hand carved shit.
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It's crazy town.
It's Bonkersville, USA and I'm obsessed with them.
And if the world was my oyster, I would go and I would say take me to your warehouse and I would have that hand chair and it would go right in that motherfucking library as Spellcrafter.
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Maybe one day.
Maybe one listen, that's how you'll know I've made it.
You know those memes that are like, if I won the lottery, I wouldn't tell anybody, but there would be signs?
Yeah.
That is me.
I would be sitting.
I think they call it the hand of God.
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I would be sitting in the hand of God.
Yeah.
Everyday.
OK, what's yours?
OK, I I was, I was thinking small at first, but now I'm gonna think big.
I would I would buy a second house just for my spiritual practice.
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Like that's fun.
The world's largest, she shed.
Yeah, yeah.
Like I would get labradorite countertops in the kitchen and like Rose Quartz in the bathroom and like.
Wait I know that you don't watch drag race but there is a famous drag queen named Trixie Mattel.
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Last episode famously I said you're the Trixie to my Katya.
She has ATV show called Trixie Motel and in the first season her and her partner read like made like like redid a a motel.
Second season they bought a house and renovated the house and she put fucking rose quartz countertops in her kitchen.
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Yes, that's my dream.
Yeah, I want labradorite personally because right now I have like a dark granite countertop that kind of is very close.
It's similar enough to labradorite that I'm like good enough for government work.
Yeah, sexy.
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But I just, I love a dark countertop because you can't, like there's no stains, you don't see the crumbs.
But Rose Quartz in the bathroom.
Rose quartz sink.
Rose Quartz toilet.
Rose Quartz bathtub.
And then we move in together, we leave our respective partners, we move in together.
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But I would want like, you know, a room just for meditation and yoga and then like a room just for crystal grids and like a room that's just an altar, like literally like a church, like with pews that you could just like, kneel before the altar and like connect with spirit.
24:38
Wait, I change my answer, 'cause I want that one too.
And then we take the hand of God, and we put it.
In that hand of God and we put it in our house.
Yes.
What if the house was built out of courts?
I don't know how well it retains heat.
Oh, you're right, we'd have to go to a neutral climate.
24:56
Yeah.
And I'd want a private jet to fly me back and forth from this house.
Because and there's a podcast studio in the house.
Yes, there has to be a podcast studio and microphones made out of like pyrite or something.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
OK, I'm in.
Yeah, I don't know if that's like what they were the the is that a magical gift?
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I don't know.
I could be more.
Realistic.
That is certainly a gift.
So if anyone's looking to invest in this podcast.
Yeah, go buy merch so we can buy a podcast.
House How many T-shirts would we have to sell to buy the hand of God?
25:35
So many guys by your entire family.
You missed my magic merch.
And then everyone's invited.
Yes.
Oh that could be fun.
You have to wear your T-shirt to get.
In yes, that's your ticket.
25:55
Oh God, that's really funny.
OK, last question, what aspect of running this pod is the hardest for each of you to allow to be easy and how do you remind yourself to come back to that core value?
For me, the hardest part is being seen by so many people.
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We joke about how this is something that Molly was born for and this is something that I am being forced into.
Willingly.
Willingly, willingly.
I I joke, I that's not true.
It was your idea.
You were the one who was like, Molly, you should have a podcast.
And I was like, I'll only do it if you do it with me.
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And you're like bet.
I'm saying me being in it was your idea.
OK, fair.
I joke because I do like doing this podcast is the highlight of my life.
It's the most fun I have ever.
But I think what's hardest for me to specifically like allow to be easy is all of like the part of it that is not me sitting in this room by myself talking to you.
26:51
I talk about how I, I'm so lucky to get to meet so many of you because of the store like, so it's truly jarring to me.
And that's what I think makes it hard for me to let be easy is that I really do not take it lightly.
So many people have traveled from all over the country to shop at my family's small businesses.
27:12
And when I say those words out loud, it is like I feel the weight of that.
And it's really important to me that you guys who do that have a really good time and a really good experience.
And it ends up making me ACT really weird because I am like recognizing all of those things when someone is standing in front of me and saying, are you Madison?
27:37
And I'm like, Oh my God, this person is like, regardless of if you walked 5 minutes, I'm like, this person is giving me the gift of their time.
And that is so generous, and I don't quite understand it.
And I think I'm still kind of working on how to let it be easy.
27:58
I think in the moment, I have to remind myself of like, somebody's doing this because they want to.
And my only job is to be myself because I also think because it's just you and me, like podcasting is a really easy way for me to be authentic because in the moment, like I'm just talking to you, one of my favorite people ever.
28:19
I am most comfortable here.
You know, you're a person who I can be really authentic with.
And so I try to channel that energy and like, remember the level of comfort that I have here and know that the version of me that the person sitting in front of me knows is like one of the truest versions.
28:39
Yeah.
And if it's easy to be that person in this room, then like I can be that person in the store because also in the store, that's who I am.
You know, I just, I can convince myself sometimes that I need to be like a better version or like I need to do more somehow.
And so mostly just coming back to center and a lot of the grounding that we talked about here, but definitely like being seen is very hard for me.
29:06
And I think that I'll just keep finding new ways to make it easy.
Yeah, you've grown so much in the last however long we've done this.
I really have.
You pointed this out.
Every year my mom and I retake the same picture at Hedge Wish.
Like there's a picture from our one year anniversary, our 2nd anniversary, and then our 3rd anniversary which was a few weeks ago.
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And you pointed out the difference in my body language in each of the photos.
And the fact that you physically were stepping you in the first photo, you're like behind the door frame and behind your mom.
And the the most recent one you're like in like your body is so open and you're outside of the threshold, the door, you're in front of your mom.
29:44
It's so cool.
I have.
Chills you, you pointed it out to me and I was like, oh shit, that is really wild.
And you like, I think that I felt even a lot more natural in that moment.
Like I used to hate at our first anniversary.
I hated the idea of us taking a picture together.
I hated the idea of us posting a picture of the two of us and like, bringing attention to myself as like someone who's a core part of this store to now, like if you go to shopspellcrafter.com, like my face is the first thing you see.
30:12
And so I have grown a lot in that way.
But I also think there's a lot more to go.
So Long story short, still working on it.
What about you?
The hardest part for me in allowing it to be easy is I always want to do the most.
30:29
Like I am someone that I want to pedal to the metal, I want to drive 100 mph and I want to get to the finish line yesterday.
And so the podcast has really taught me so much of like being easy, like the difference between.
30:47
It's so funny because I used to think like doing pedal to the metal is the easy because like if you drive 100 mph now in a year, you can pump the brakes.
But what happens is I never pump the brakes.
I just keep going, yeah, until I burn out.
And I think, you know, there's so there's been so many times, like honestly, how do I come back to that core value is like Madison Reigns me in because I've had so many moments like even we're when we're talking about merch, I was like, let's host a photo shoot and you could fly up here and we could do a whole thing and we could take photos and then we could do this and then we could do that.
31:19
And then I was like, hey, what if we just go to Disney?
Yeah, we just have a fun day.
And if we take some photos, that is cool.
And if we don't, that's fine.
Yeah, it is.
It is interesting.
I feel like at least once a year we have a moment where I would say like once a quarter it happens to one of us and the other one has to rate it in where we like overexert ourselves.
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And the other one has to say like, hey, remember, this gets to be easy.
Yeah.
And so I remember saying to you, I was like, we could literally just wake up tomorrow and the merch could be live and we could just post an Instagram story and that would be a.
Launch.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's OK.
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Like, we're not doing this.
You know, we've like, I think you said on your stories the other day, like we're not making merch because we wanna make a ton of money.
We're making merch because you guys really wanted it and it was something really fun for us to do, so why are we treating it like we're Amazon?
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
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Yeah.
And I have those moments.
It it's interesting because this podcast has really helped me catch those moments more and more.
Like I always talk to my community manager Jade about this is whenever I have ideas about Reiki training, I always call it spiral out, Spiral in where I'm like, just let me spiral to all of the big giant ideas that are like totally unrealistic and will like burn us to the ground or whatever, because I will spiral back into like the simplest version of that.
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Yeah.
So it's like we spiral out and we're like, what if we do this and then this and then this and then this.
And we could do that.
What if we do this tomorrow?
And then we spiral in and we go, actually, I think this could be the easiest way forward.
And so it's, it's become this really interesting like practice of like noticing that within myself.
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And, and like we always say, how you do anything is how you do everything.
So like I've noticed this in like my move where it's like, OK, we, we have all of our ducks in a row and it's like, I don't have to meticulously plan like where we're going to eat lunch on the day that we close.
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I don't have to meticulously plan like what time we do this, this, this, this and this.
Like we can just say like afternoon, we move in, right?
Like so many things.
It's like when I first moved into this new house, I was like, I have to buy a new piece of furniture for every room and everything has to be perfect right away.
We have to be totally unpacked and it's just like, OK, no, like what if I just made the spaces that I'm living in like 1 space at a time livable and it's like, and then we can, you know, change things 1 by 1.
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So yeah, I think that's the hardest part for me is like wanting to go 100 mph and like that being just like my nature and who I am and and how I've always approached everything.
And what what reminds me to come back as Madison saying Or we could make it easy.
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Or we could just do it.
I think that's what I love to talk about our dynamic is that like we, I don't want to use the word weakness, but like, for lack of a better word, like we are really strong in the other's weakness.
Like, yeah, we yin and Yang really well.
We really do.
And you are the person that I talked to when I feel most afraid of being seen.
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And you are the one who really sees my growth in that.
Like, I hadn't really thought very much about it until you pointed out the difference in the photos.
And it really did give me a second to reflect and say like, oh, I have gotten more confident in this space and I do feel more confident as a business owner.
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If I were to give a metaphor for our dynamic in a car, OK, notoriously, I know a lot about cars.
I'm the accelerator, you're the brake.
You need both.
You need to drive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You can't get to your destination without both.
Yeah.
Because I feel like there's been moments where I'm like, I think you can do more here.
I think you can step outside your comfort zone and, like, push that accelerator and me.
Like that's not a problem for me, but you rein me in and go like Molly?
What if you did less?
Yeah, yeah, and we each got one hand on the steering wheel and God bless.
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We've gone in the right direction ever since.
So far so good.
So far so good all.
Right, we do it.
I think we did it.
I think we answered.
We aid some.
Cues.
We aid some cues.
Thank you so much for listening.
We love you very much and.
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That's it.
Looking forward to seeing all of you dressed in your Demystify Magic merch in front of your Yule goat.
And if it's not with a Yule goat, I don't want it.
I do, I do.
You can send it to me.
Bye.
Thanks for listening to Demystify Magic with Molly and Madison.
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