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howdy Duty friends howdy and also Duty it is a howdy Duty doodle day we have a
little little surprise for you from the archives we are going to give you a
little uh little rerun little rerun of an EP that we did almost two years ago now all about navigating skepticism and
what do you do when people in your life say that what you do is too woo and how do you approach that yeah this is
something that we've been getting a lot of questions about recently and this is
honestly one of of my favorite episodes that we've ever done I really love to talk about
skepticism I think the more you enter like the professional woo sphere the more you encounter that sort of energy
especially when you're like putting yourself out there online and the longer we've done this the more I'm like oh
Skeptics aren't that scary and I think that this episode is a really good reminder of that fact and of how to kind
of hold on to your power while interacting with people who maybe are not
as in alignment or maybe aren't acknowledging it yeah I also think it's a cool episode to revisit because even
if you've been listening since day one your relationship to your own skepticism may have changed or your relationship to
other people's you know thoughts on skepticism may have changed so it can be a cool little check-in for yourself just
to see how that scale between curiosity and judgment is balanced for you yeah
and especially I know for a lot of us the world feels really scary right now mhm and I think that that sort of
cynical skeptical energy is becoming more and more not just prevalent but
like emboldened you know I think we all feel like and when I say Skeptics I I guess I'm using Skeptics as like a as a
pseudonym for [ __ ] in this context but as assholery becomes more and more normal uh I think that it's more
important than ever to check in with ourselves and know how to like maintain our own boundaries and
uphold our owner field almost you know like how to stay centered when when the world is not
maybe as loving as we want it to be you know what I was just thinking about as you were saying that is our phrase of
how you do anything how you do everything with so much like political
discourse happening right now so many people are arguing for what's right what's wrong you know so many different
opinions across the map I think that our approach to skep ISM can also be applied
to those types of disagreements too and what you take away from this episode around you know if someone doesn't agree
with your beliefs around your spiritual practice you can also apply say you're at dinner with your family and they have
different political views of you uh than you have and you can also apply these same tips to that so I think ultimately
just a very timely episode to bring back to the Forefront yes so thank you for
listening we love you very much and we will see you next week bye bye but also hello cuz we're just about to previous
US is about to get started Audi Duty hi there how you doing
I am so good how are you doing I'm doing so good truth be told this is the second episode we are recording in one day so I
know first time doing this if we get silly on this one this is why yeah it's cuz we've run out of things to talk about that are within the normal scope
of this podcast the analogies get you know why but we didn't want to wait to record
this one because it's a topic that's been on our mind for a while and it's how to deal with skepticism now Madison
you and I both experience skepticism in different ways right like you get
Skeptics who come to the store I often I will get Skeptics who approach me on
like social media or whatever but a lot of the time when I'm talking about dealing with Skeptics I'm trying to
support my Reiki training students when their loved ones or family members or
whoever are kind of not really on board with their raiki practice and talking with them about how they can sort of
even either move on from that or talk to their their loved one about it so I think it's going to be a cool way for us
to kind of approach both of those sides whether it's skepticism from someone you know you're emotionally invested in or
someone who you're not yeah I am very lucky in that I grew up this way and so
my mom probably had to deal with a lot more of the skepticism from the people in our lives that are very close to us
whereas for me it's mostly meeting new people and people who come into the store where I experience a lot of
skepticism and so I'm interested to see our different perspectives in how we support people and how we support
ourselves in dealing with skepticism because we experience such different different Avenues I will say seeing it
in person skepticism from people who don't know me also having a store in a deeply religious community like
ours the levels of skepticism that you experience they're very
interesting yeah yeah and I think I experienced more skepticism from like
people I know and care about because I was a skeptic for a long time and so especially the people who' have been in
my life for a long time it's kind of like this 180 of like what what wait what are you do what are you doing now
why are you doing that now because I held that skeptic belief for so long so trying
to uh kind of communicate that while yeah you know also maintaining those
relationships has been it's been fun if fun were a different word I can't imagine Reckoning skeptic
Molly with raiki Master Molly because I've only ever known raiki Master Molly I would love to just talk to skeptic
Molly for like 10 minutes to be like how who are you how are you what's going on there yeah I know me too me too H I look
back and I'm just like who was she not herself I'll say that but before we dive into it Madison what was your magic
moment of the week okay so you might have heard me mention my relatively new
boyfriend on the podcast we have had so many Bonkers Town
moments of synchronicity of so many people who he
knows having these like really important experiences to me in the store and I
found we had another one happen the other day where he was having dinner with his family and his aunt was there
and she told him that to take it back about six months ago there was this
couple who came in with their son he's like a toddler I'm not sure exactly how
old but they did our Crea a spell candle Workshop which is where you come and you like make your own scent and you dress
your own candle like our spell candles that we have in the store but it's like much larger it's 17 ooun versus 8 O and
it's really fun my mom and I lead it every time and it's like the very best time MH and there was this couple who
came in with their young son and the three of them made one candle together and they ended up staying like
late after everyone else had finished because it was like three of them making one candle and I spent a lot of time
with them talking to them they were the most most wonderful couple and I'll be honest I like often
come into a like I I slip into a place of judgment when people bring young kids because I struggle with young kids and
being helpful in like doing my job and so when they came in I had a lot of anxiety about working with
them and by the time they left like we took a photo together the four of us like I cried with how sweet they were to
me they were so wonderful this was about 6 months ago probably and Saturday night
my boyfriend was having dinner with his family and his aunt showed him that photo because she had been at one of her
good friend's house apparently talking about me telling her that her nephew was
dating someone and that she had this store and it was it was the mom who
pulled out the candle and sent her the photo who then she showed it to Drew my
boyfriend I don't think I've ever sorry Drew named drre but I was out with some of my friends
and I just started crying a it was so wild cuz like I
haven't seen them in quite a while but we genuinely still talk about them in their son like once a week in the store
and how lovely they were and so to have like that weird connection and also I was like what a what a wonderful
like what a wonderful way to like make a good imp on your new boyfriend's family
to have a complete stranger pull up a photo of you and their son on their phone and be like oh yeah we loved her
she's so nice a I love that it was so great and this is like the third or
fourth time that someone who he knows has been in the store or been to the
store we even found out that his mom has been seeing a medium who reads in the store for like quite a while it's just
like so weird and divine connection like or divine intervention was what I
meant by that was what I meant to say so weird in like divine intervention and like just wonderful little reminders
from the universe that feel so good and nice I love that a very tender
cute what was your Magic Moment mine is not as tender mine is another weird one
this one's like as out of left field as the time I quoted Batman in my magical moment oh I can't
wait so I I really believe that one of the ways that the Universe speaks to me
is through books because I go through phases where I'm obsessed with books in phases where I can't be bothered to read
books last night I got the itch to read a book that I had started reading like 3
months ago and then put down never picked up again okay it's called The Book of eels it's not not a spirituality
book I actually explicitly read an actual book about eels it's about eels
[Laughter] I told you left field I explicitly
wanted to read this book because I thought it had nothing to do with spirituality and I felt like I needed a break from spiritual books however last
night I pick up the book to the page that I had stopped reading 3 months ago completely forgot about this book and
the essentially this um we I don't know if you knew this but we don't know how eels are
created no no I didn't know that yeah like we like scientists can't tell you
mean scientists can't tell if they have reproductive organs or if they give birth via eggs or if they give live
birth or if they are just like duplicated like we don't know we've never seen them what do you mean what do
you mean I'm so sorry to Brak this news to you but we've never been able to get them to reproduce in captivity and we've
never witnessed an eel reproduce and so for hundreds of years scientists and
different philosophers have been trying to figure out this mystery of eel
and and and what the hell are they we don't know we don't even know if they're technically can be considered
fish I wish this was a video podcast because your face is so good right now me
too this is our new podcast about eels where we figure out the two of us how they reproduce cuz I can't live like
this okay so I've always loved this about eels because I just feel like it gives so much possibility to
spirituality right like anytime my skeptic brain is like oh how the [ __ ]
could that work and there's no like good answer I'm always I always come back to
well we don't know how eels reproduce and yet there's more of them every year and in this book on the page that I had
opened to it Compares this like conundrum with eels to the idea of
metaphysics which I had never actually read like the definition of
metaphysics but this says it's a branch of philosophy that is concerned with
what exists outside or Beyond objective nature beyond what we can observe and describe with the help of our senses and
to me it just like I always feel like metaphysics metaphysical practices whatever understanding that will'll
never understand eels just creates so much potential for what we as humans are
capable of it's like anytime I feel like oh I could never do that it's like well eels can reproduce and we don't even know how does that mean that eels are
considered metaphysics it's like trying to understand eels is metaphysics is my
understanding from this so anyways I've always felt like whenever I feel like I've tapped my potential and I'm like oh
there's no way I could do that there's no way I could reach that goal I'm always I always come back to this like
this idea of like metaphysics is like anything is possible basically we don't have to fully understand it to be
capable of it happening and then here's the wildest part okay in my book I like
go to grab the bookmark that I have in it and I pull it out and there's
actually two pieces of paper one of them is a blank note card the other one is a card from your store Madison the ones
that you give away with orders and it says I am capable of anything I put my mind to
oh that is tender and so I read this passage I had this realization that like
if e can reproduce and we don't know how then like literally anything is [ __ ] possible and then I had that card just
like fall out of the book immediately after oh my God okay so for context we give these little card stock
cards they look like tarot cards we call them intention cards with messages we give them like if you come into the
store and buy something you like pull one from a pile if you place an online
order it just like we choose one for you and put it in your order and so that
just came so you've just been using that as a bookmark yeah I used them as bookmarks and I and didn't realize what it said yeah so
tender oh anyways I like I read that and I was like oh I guess this is a
spirituality book after all yeah anything's a spirituality book in my brain eels are witches eels are witches
eels are witches and yet we don't burn them at the stake so you can use that as your argument for Skeptics episode over
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first I think we're going to talk a little bit about how to handle Skeptics who you know and love and respect yeah
this one's arguably harder right I don't know I always think it's harder I feel
like this comes up a lot in my new students like who come through raiki
training when they graduate that's almost always a question I get asked within the first couple of weeks of train wrapping I'll get an email from
someone to be like how do I deal with this because it can create a lot of impostor syndrome in your own practice
and in yourself if you have people who you love and respect and care about asking questions or sort of imposing
their own beliefs or skepticism on what you just learned and you're excited about yeah this is also something that
we see people talk about at our Gatherings we have a lot of people who come because they don't experience that
level of support from the people people around them and I think that's like a really difficult thing that I feel very
lucky to not have to deal with a ton you know all the people close in my life
have either watched me be raised this way or raised me this way yeah yeah and
as you just mentioned the Gatherings it just reminded me how important Community Support is right like I feel like that's
something you and I both value in our respective businesses is like creating space whether it's an online community
whether it's an impers community that people can have that support because you're right like not everyone has it in
their life I definitely didn't really have it growing up um and didn't when I
started like my journey with raiki it was very much like everyone I knew was kind of like you're what yeah if you're
in the Tampa Bay area and you don't feel like you have that Community please come on down to the healing hedge wtch but if
that's not something that's available to you for it but join ricky1 or find a
place close by that does a physical gather if you have any metaphysical stores nearby that's a big piece of
advice that I have for people who have a lot of Skeptics in their personal lives is find a group of people who are like
you that you can see even if it's like once a month MH yeah and connect with that way yeah and I always describe
skepticism as there's two paths you can take when you're a skeptic right there's the judgmental skeptic which is like the
people who are like this is [ __ ] and nothing you say could change my mind and I'm just going to you know make you feel
like [ __ ] about it and I'm not even going to listen to what you say right and then there's the path of curiosity
which I feel like a lot of us walk before we become full Believers of a practice or Believers in what we do and
that's the path where you're like I'm not really sure about this I don't really know if I'm on board but I'm
willing to explore I'm willing to learn I'm willing to see if it will work for me and so I think there's a very
different approach to a curious skeptic than there is with a judgmental
skeptic and when it comes to someone you care about someone you a loved one right
like friend family whatever when they're a judgmental skeptic that becomes a
tiger to your brain right we've talked at length about how your brain when it
thinks it's being chased by a tiger it goes into this fight flight freeze response this survival response and
there's actually fourth response that can come up when we're faced with judgment from a loved one and and our brain thinks we're being chased by a
tiger in that moment and that's the Fawn response and so I I thought it would be
helpful to give like an example so that you can start to clock for yourself when you're heading into one of these
responses because the the recognition of it is can help diffuse it a little bit
and that diffusion is where you can choose a different response so if you
have someone who's a skeptic say you have someone who's like oh you really believe in that right the fight response
might show up as like of course I do what are you an [ __ ] right like you just want to argue with them the flight
response can show up as like trying to get out of the conversation whatever way possible so you're like oh I um my
phone's ringing or like I got to go and you just like slip out as soon as possible the freeze response can show up
as like not knowing what to say and you're just like uh uh uh like deer in the headlights and then the Fawn
response is like when we try to appease the tiger and that's when we're like even if we don't believe it we're like
yeah I know it's kind of silly I'm really just doing it because like so and so told me too I don't really know if
I'm like into it or not but you know how so and so is Right mhm and so any of
these responses can come up when when we're faced with a judgmental skeptic and the thing about these
responses is they're they're that survival response right they're not the only way to respond but when we just
slip into one of these responses what happens is we either open the door to
confrontation or it forces us to abandon a piece of ourselves right because when
we start to say like oh no I don't really believe in that there's like a part of you that's like deflated you
know and I think so much of our the goal of this spiritual practice is like to
come home to self and be one with self and really make peace with all parts of ourselves at least that's a goal that I
see see and hold and so in order to protect your peace when faced with this judgmental
skeptic this is an affirmation that I use to this day I learned from one of my teachers in my yoga teacher training the
first time our class was going to teach publicly she gave us this affirmation and I I hold it like armor when I'm
faced with skepticism I Madison have I told you this before I don't think so okay so the
affirmation write this down if you want is I have nothing to prove and nothing
to defend I'm simply a soul sharing I love that yeah I have nothing
to prove I have nothing to defend I am simply a soul sharing yeah and so like
when you're faced with this judgment it's this moment of like I usually will take a breath and recite that to myself
inwardly and and I'm going to tell you like how to put this in practice so I had last fall I do I do this like event
once a year that I see the same people year after year but I don't see them outside of this event I'm being vague
because I don't want to call anyone out but it's like one of those where it's like we're we're friendly
acquaintances but like I don't know these people beyond that mhm yeah and we had like kind of like a wrap-up party
and one of the the people came over to me and was like oh Molly I checked out your website and I was like oh cool
thanks and they were like yeah raiki you really believe in that and my instant my
immediate reaction was like fire right I felt this heat flood my cheeks and I was just like okay how am I going to face
this how am I how am I either going to get him on board or like show him that he's wrong you know but then I just took
a deep breath I was like okay I have nothing to prove nothing to offend just a soul Sharon here and I just
smiled and I just gave it this beat of silence and I just said yeah I do mhm
With No Agenda behind it nothing to prove nothing to defend just sharing
right I don't care what this person believes and he completely like his face
went from this like snarky you know I told you so kind of face to just soft and he was like well that's great I'm
really happy for you and he just walked away that was it like completely diffuses the situation I don't have to
explain myself I don't have to dive into the science I don't have to dive into all the ways that it's helped me and my students and
everything else it's just yeah I do I love that and then just Stand My Ground
yeah you know as you were talking I was thinking more about like especially as you go through fight flight freezer Fawn
where I realized the different areas of my life in which I do each of those things I think that's an important thing
to notice too is like so a good example for me was was dating dating as someone
who owns a store for witches in smalltown
Florida some some might say that was a difficult
experience and I very quickly and easily slid into Fawn when specifically when
talking to men cuz I date people of all genders women easy peasy lemon
squeezy yeah but you get a lot of that response from a
man in that environment in my experience I got a lot of that I guess I should
say and even after all these years of like feeling really confident and
comfortable in what I do and what my life looks like and even knowing that
like someone who responds that way to my job is not going to be a good partner for me I still slide into that or slid
into that I have to convince them that I'm normal yeah whereas like with
a sort of stranger like that experience that you had I have that same sort of fire feeling of like oh I'm going to show this
guy you know and so I think finding the different places in the different like
walks or the different areas of your life in which you slide into each response that's also a good way to kind
of be prepared and keeping that affirmation in your back pocket and be like okay this is how I often behave
when faced with skepticism in this environment M here's my tool that I have
and going into it with that knowledge I think makes it easier too to clock what you're doing yeah and I also just want
to validate that the reason we go into those responses is because of our survival wiring right like when you're
on a date with a strange man you are going to go into the Fawn response more likely because you've been
programmed that like women are supposed to be submissive men are supposed to be dominant and like also there's a lot of
like themes of violence and like we want to avoid that when we're around strange
men and it's like so a lot of that wiring is in us and so I I share this with you not so not to create shame if
you can't come out of that fight flight freeze Fawn response but to validate for
you that they're they're valid responses they're they're literally the way that you're wired and it takes some time in
practice to recognize them reassure the Tiger in your brain that you're not in
immediate danger and choose a different response and I mean if all you do is
take a breath before you respond that's huge right because that
breath creates enough space for you to decide which option you'd like to
choose MH yeah because your brain is wired that way because they work they
work at avoiding the tiger they work at avoiding the embarrassment or the violence or whatever it is that you're
afraid of in that moment whatever your brain is afraid of in that moment you have those responses because
historically they get you out of that situation and so there's no shame in any
of those responses if you've done them in the past or if you do them tomorrow and sometimes they're really valid right
like I when I was um believe it or not when I was a sexual assault Advocate I got a lot of skepticism about my job
which was wild I remember going really yeah bloners I remember going to a
reunion at my college campus and I was at like one of the bars and this dude came up to me and asked me what I did
and I was like oh I I work with survivors of sexual violence and he was like don't all those women just make it
up oh God and I literally I chose the fight response yeah that's a correct
fight response there's no other response you took a breath and you chose I said
to him now kind sir I can either let you rewrite that sentence to say
something different or I'm happy to educate you on how wrong you are you get
to decide mom took a breath and said you
choose yeah I was like I you choose which violence you want right now my sir
yeah yeah yeah but yeah so it's like it's but but it's like having that choice right and especially when it's a
loved one that is sort of approaching you with skepticism I I mean I would say
if it's someone that cares about you and it's someone that you care about that skepticism is not coming from a bad
place it's not coming from a place where they want you to feel bad it might be coming from a place of like their own
beliefs are being challenged or they're feeling worried or they're feeling afraid or they want to make sure that
you're okay and so just that recognition of like I don't have to prove anything I don't have to defend anything like I
they don't have to believe what you believe in order for you to be you know connected still and so like just
recognizing that in your system and if they are coming at you with the intention of like making you feel like
[ __ ] then like that might be an opportunity to re-eval that relationship re-eval
re-eval re-evaluate that's the word you want you want to do that sentence again I don't know Perfect all
right yeah and I think it can create space for a larger conversation because odds are if that's the case it's not the
only area of your life in which that behavior is coming up you know yeah I talk to a lot of people who are
experiencing this skepticism from their loved ones and almost always it's coming
from a place of love and a place of care even like I said we are in a deeply religious community I talk to a lot of
people who have very religious families who see what we do at the store as
something dangerous and something harmful I think it's important too to for a minute put yourself in that
position of imagine you saw your loved one doing something that you firmly deep
to your core believed was dangerous even if you were wrong yeah having that level of empathy
for that even if the behavior is something that you won't accept and you don't have to accept I found that coming
to it with that place of empathy makes it easier for me to assert my boundaries mhm yeah yeah
for sure how do you deal with skepticism at the store because it's often not people that you necessarily know right
yeah so I think my first piece of advice for dealing with skepticism from a
stranger I have a very specific experience and that most of the strangers that I deal with are people
who are like coming into my place of business and you know there is a level of seeking to understand there but if
the person that you're talking to doesn't have that level of I want to understand or like a genuine question I
think the most important thing that you can do is make peace with being misunderstood yeah especially with
someone where there's no Stakes right like you're never going to see this person again most likely what they think
of you is none of your business that's my affirmation what this person thinks of me is none of my
business my second affirmation is the block button is free to use yes I love
that one as well because there are people even people who come into the store who like do just think it's like
fun and funny to make fun of what they think is silly and so they'll ask questions that they don't really want answers to and I can I can kind of sus
that out pretty easily it doesn't happen very often but it used to really really get to me to have to like quote unquote
have to engage with someone who very clearly thought I was stupid it took me a long time to create that piece and how
you create it is kind of up to you I had to create it kind of through exposure therapy you know there's like there's no
way to own a business and not like spiritually emotionally own and
embody that business yeah and the longer you do that the more it does become easy
and okay you know like I heard recently someone tell me that they when we open
the store people were worried that a demonic presence had like come to our town oh and that like something needed
to be done about this demonic presence I learned that yesterday um and if I had
heard that when we opened it would have wrecked me and destroyed me and I would have like done
everything in my power to find whoever said that so I could explain to them that we are not a demonic entity that
we're just like a mom and a daughter who like crystals and you know maybe have some beliefs that you probably find
strange but like we're not doing like you know we're not taking your kids we're not you know whatever but even most of the time people who
come in and have that kind of fear are still coming from a place of curiosity I did have someone a long long time ago
come in and genuinely ask if we were satanic MH and still bought something like I think it was like a greeting card
but I said no we're not you know because what else can you say like what else is there yeah you asked a yes or no
question and she's just was like okay and moved on and picked up her greeting card and went home that was very hard
for me in the beginning of not knowing what she thought after that conversation not knowing if she believed me not
knowing you know not knowing if those people are still out there believing that we are a demonic presence in their Town MH that peace is the most important
part I don't think I was really able to have a clear-cut conversation with someone
about why I believe the things in the store work why I believe that crystals
work why I believe the spell candles I make work mhm until I was able to have
the acceptance that like what I say might not be
received and that's okay yeah like this person might leave the store and still
think crystals are stupid and like that's none of my business I had someone
tell me once that people pleasing Tendencies are manipulative by nature and it changed my life because like
ultimately when we're when we're trying to be liked by everyone we're trying to control how someone else
feels and like many of us who are drawn to spiritual practices we want other
people to feel empowered and like they have agency over their life and so to
meet that intention we have to kind of let go of what other people think of us and just operate on our own path and
that that is like a practice in and of itself uhhuh and it's something that I still have to practice I still get that
like kind of nervous feeling in my tummy even if it's not someone I'm talking to if I hear someone ask somebody else that
level of question or give that level of skepticism to someone in the store I I
have the same thing where I'm like okay am I going to go out there and like defend whatever employee is out there you know be their night and shining
armor even though they can all handle themselves and our adults who you know
don't need me to like wh night it MH or am I going to run away and put my
headphones on so I don't have to listen or am I going to just take a deep breath and say it's what
happens and it has no bearing on my life and it also has no bearing on theirs yeah and move on so that's the first
step is making that peace but if I am met with someone in the store or outside
of the store I don't meet a ton of people who don't know and respect what I do for a living but I still like I still
meet meet new people all the time you know mhm so if I meet someone that is
genuinely seeking to understand here are the three ways that I will explain
essentially how magic Works MH to someone in a way that can meet all levels of belief hit me with them the
first way I'll start like most Normie okay and I'll move into like the
Witchcraft [ __ ] I love it so one of the most common things that I get from
someone who is a skeptic both curious and not curious is it's just the placebo
effect MH which is honestly that's the best thing you can say to me in the
store because maybe the placebo effect is called the
placebo effect because it has an effect on people yeah and so if someone meets
me from that place I meet them at the I don't really care how it works works I just know that
it works for me and so if it is the placebo effect give it to me yeah it
works because I say it does and if that's all it is then I'm happy with that I'm happy at that base level and I
think that confuses a lot of Skeptics especially judgmental Skeptics MH and I
think when you're dealing with someone who is trying to like upend you and make
you a little nervous and make you a little uncomfortable to be unexpected did to give an answer that they are not
they're waiting for the most witchy of the answers they're waiting for you know the the crystal speaks to me and it
tells me what it's doing and you know whatever not giving them that it almost opens their brain up to be more
receptive yeah I love the placebo effect argument because I get this a lot in
raiki and we actually have a whole section of the training where I talk about the placebo effect and we talk
about like the different studies that prove raiki more effective than a placebo effect even on rats by the way
it's been proven to be more effective than Placebo forms of raiki which is cool that's an aside but the thing about
the placebo effect is it's only used as a weapon when we're talking about
spirituality in modern medicine the placebo effect is used all the time did
you know that if a doctor gives you a diagnosis and a treatment plan in a way
that conveys confidence you are more likely to heal from that than if you had the same
diagnosis same treatment plan from a doctor who said it might be this we're not sure we'll try it that confidence is
a placebo effect but we would never go to a doctor and say hey stop stop being confident to your patients because it's
a placebo exactly meditation cognitive behavioral
therapy both are more effective when the person doing it believes it will work
for them like the placebo effect just proves how [ __ ] powerful our brains are exactly like that's magic to me
that's magic that's exactly what I was about to say is that the placebo effect is essentially witchcraft like it's intention yes yes it's just repackaged
it's just with a different name and often with a condescending tone yeah but it's not used condescendingly in modern
medicine it's like literally used as a treatment method mhm Okay so level right
we're going to stay in the science brain a little bit I love it I love it already this specifically crystals are a very
easy a very easy example to use this is also this applies to our spell candles
this applies to essential oils all of us like anything that you could use in a spiritual practice all of these apply so
if it's not the placebo effect and it's not witchcraft you're creating a connection
in your brain between that item and your desired intention mhm so let's talk
let's use rose quartz for an example if you want to use rose quartz to bring
love into your life every time you look at that rose
quartz you're going to think about that intention you're going to see it more in the world you're going to find it more
in the world because it's the same reason that when you start thinking about buying a car you see that car everywhere mhm your reticular activating
system of your brain uhhuh that's the one I knew you'd have the name for it
can always count on you so it's still working it's still giving you the
desired end result it's just through that connection in your brain yeah I
keep a piece of fluorite on my desk I look at it when I want to focus MH is it
working because the placebo effect is it working because I think it'll work is it working because it's serving as a reminder I don't know it's working I
feel more focused when it's around yeah the reticular activating system is so cool I can't remember if we've talked
about it on the Pod yet before but it's basically like a filtration system for your brain so like if you you know for
the car analogy that you mentioned it's like if I was going to go bu a grade Prius and I was in like research mode
all of a sudden I'm driving around I see gray Priuses everywhere it's not that there's more gray Priuses on the road
it's just that my brain is filtering out information based on what I believe based on what I'm looking for and so
that can apply to like intention as well this this is why intention works it's because you give your reticular
activating system something to focus on so it's like all of a sudden now you start to see it everywhere you start to
see yourself more focused and then you assign that meaning to the Crystal and then it's like strengthened every time
you reconnect those dots MH so that's one that I'll kind of build up to after
the placebo effect if we're still talking you know and then at this point I'll often give the witchiest of answers
in my like my grand finale of like here's all the different ways that this could work here's what a lot of people
in here believe but also here's what a lot of people in here don't believe a lot of people are working with those other two and that is the idea that
again we'll go with that rose quartz the idea that all things have a vibration right we know that's true because all of
the atoms in everything are moving constantly so feelings and intentions
and emotions also have vibrations mhm M the idea is that we've learned that rose quartz vibrates at the same level that
love does in our body MH so when we bring that rose quartz close to us it's bringing our
vibration closer to that vibration to the vibration of love and therefore
allowing us to attract it mhm this is kind of the idea for everything in
spellwork right like if you've ever read a quote unquote Spellbook or something that's you know
like an encyclopedia of herbs it'll tell you Rosemary is great for protection and
cleansing the idea there is that it's vibrating at that level MH and so when you match that with your
vibration it's bringing your vibration to that protective that protected State when you combine those
together that's how spell work happens that's how it works yeah and something I
think is really helpful like if you sitting here listening and you're like nervous about encountering Skeptics is
starting to do a deeper dive into why you believe what you believe right like
what evidence do you have what evidence do you feel like you need because I feel like some of the the at least I'll speak
for myself I don't get nervous around Skeptics anymore because like I can dive into the science I could reference you
know case studies and um double blind controlled studies and Placebo controlled studies like all the live
long day like I could recite those out of my ass I've got bookmarks on my phone I'm ready to pull up screenshots you
know like I could I could explain this all the live long day but it's because I teach it right and so I'm read I'm like
I have that in my back pocket to be ready but before I understood the science inside and out the way that I do
I would get nervous around Skeptics because i' I'd get nervous that I would be asked a question that I had never
asked myself and I didn't know how to answer and I was I was nervous at that
time that that would shake my own belief and so that's one of the reasons why yes
oh that is such a good point yeah that was one of the reasons why when I started teaching raiki the emphasis is
so much on the science because whether you are in the woo and like believe it
works and don't don't care how it works un or if you're a curious skeptic yourself understanding the science
what's happening physiologically emotionally energetically in your body body it gives you this backpack of
confidence in your own ability to do the practice but also in your way to explain
it to other people so when you are faced with that skepticism you know I have
nothing to defend I have nothing to prove I know my beliefs inside and out and I've got I've got what I need that
my belief is unshakable and I feel like the science really helps with that yeah
I think that like strong I don't know how else to put it but like that strong sense of self yeah that like strong
self- understanding and self belief where it's like you know it' be interesed to know you have all of the
studies you have all the screenshots how often do you actually pull them out because you know never absolutely never
never exact I've never done uhuh yeah I I don't think I ever would go through
all three ways that I believe like because the truth is I believe these three ways are how it all works I think
they're all working together mhm and that's how you know that's how create Magic that's that's why I do spell work
that's why I use our spell candles that's why I have crystals is because I think all three of those things are working together in Perfect Harmony MH I
could probably count on one hand how many times I've like really made it through a whole conversation being like it could be this or it could be this or
it could be this or it could be this yeah and like when I have it has often come from a place of that needing to
prove myself mhm so really what we're doing here in this episode is we've um a
little bit back doored you this is information that's important for you to have you never ever have to use
it to defend if you don't want to yeah yeah you never have to give it to anyone
it's just opening more doors for you for how this could be working in your life so you can have a strong sense of belief
that's how you deal with Skeptics yeah the firmer the foundation the less likely the storm will take the tree down
you're so good with the metaphor I just made that up that just came out of nowhere it was excellent I loved
it and on that note that was perfect that was such a perfect little such a good ending wrap up all right I
know thank you so much for listening if you have any other questions on how to
deal with Skeptics our DMS are always open all of our links will be in the show notes and we'll talk to you next
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